Comments on: New Entrent in Kawakami Derby: Minnesota http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/ Baseball in Japan & Around the World Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:13:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2839 Patrick Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:10:49 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2839 The longer service time is an excellent point -- remember also that the annual service time requirements are pretty strict. We're coming into a time where the players union and NPB are beginning to come together on rule changes (shorter free agency term and free agency compensation changes), so we'll have to see what develops. The longer service time is an excellent point — remember also that the annual service time requirements are pretty strict.

We’re coming into a time where the players union and NPB are beginning to come together on rule changes (shorter free agency term and free agency compensation changes), so we’ll have to see what develops.

]]> By: Tim McLeod http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2822 Tim McLeod Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:10:11 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2822 I think Patrick that if you're looking at some form of rights transfer compensation for players moving from the NPB to MLB as suggested, you'd also have to be looking at bringing the free agent requirements for both leagues into sync. Isn't owning a players rights for an additional three years more than adequate compensation in itself? I'm not disagreeing with the concept, but for it to be viable you'd have to be working from the same base and I can't see the NPB being accomodating in that regard. I think Patrick that if you’re looking at some form of rights transfer compensation for players moving from the NPB to MLB as suggested, you’d also have to be looking at bringing the free agent requirements for both leagues into sync. Isn’t owning a players rights for an additional three years more than adequate compensation in itself? I’m not disagreeing with the concept, but for it to be viable you’d have to be working from the same base and I can’t see the NPB being accomodating in that regard.

]]> By: John Brooks http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2807 John Brooks Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:17:52 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2807 <b>One thing to consider about on a sandwich round would be that some of the 2nd choice guys would be off the table</b> The counter to that is, what do NPB teams do about players who depart to MLB via free agency? Of course it would take some of the 2nd round guys off the table and for that I don't think the collective heads in NPB be excited about it, but I can't see how its helping them to lose players to MLB for nothing either. One thing to consider about on a sandwich round would be that some of the 2nd choice guys would be off the table

The counter to that is, what do NPB teams do about players who depart to MLB via free agency? Of course it would take some of the 2nd round guys off the table and for that I don’t think the collective heads in NPB be excited about it, but I can’t see how its helping them to lose players to MLB for nothing either.

]]> By: John Brooks http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2806 John Brooks Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:14:56 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2806 <b>This would help if it was a high enough pick. Remember that most teams choose to draft fewer than the maximum of 10 players, and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him.</b> Yeah I'm aware of that. The league does need to get rid of it, but I don't think its happening. My idea kind of goes like what Simon was proposing to add a round in between the 1st and 2nd rounds. Because with all the schools and industrial leagues, we know the talent is there to fill and compensate for players who depart to other NPB teams or across the pond to MLB. The key thing is does NPB really want to do it? <b>I don’t know if I’d call the system laughable, though it could be more effective. Masato Akamatsu, who was never going to get the chance to play for Hanshin, had a decent year after moving to Hiroshima as compensation.</b> I'm sorry if I come across so rash, but when I look at compensation such as Akira Etoh a few years back, if I'm remembering the right name, I can't help but think there could be a better system to compensate teams for losing free agents. This would help if it was a high enough pick. Remember that most teams choose to draft fewer than the maximum of 10 players, and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him.

Yeah I’m aware of that. The league does need to get rid of it, but I don’t think its happening. My idea kind of goes like what Simon was proposing to add a round in between the 1st and 2nd rounds. Because with all the schools and industrial leagues, we know the talent is there to fill and compensate for players who depart to other NPB teams or across the pond to MLB. The key thing is does NPB really want to do it?

I don’t know if I’d call the system laughable, though it could be more effective. Masato Akamatsu, who was never going to get the chance to play for Hanshin, had a decent year after moving to Hiroshima as compensation.

I’m sorry if I come across so rash, but when I look at compensation such as Akira Etoh a few years back, if I’m remembering the right name, I can’t help but think there could be a better system to compensate teams for losing free agents.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2805 Patrick Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:10:11 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2805 Yeah, that rule only applies to the first round. One thing to consider about on a sandwich round would be that some of the 2nd choice guys would be off the table. I'm not sure that it would be an attractive alternative over taking an NPB player. Maybe they could add it as an option and let teams choose. Currently the teams can choose players or money. Yeah, that rule only applies to the first round. One thing to consider about on a sandwich round would be that some of the 2nd choice guys would be off the table. I’m not sure that it would be an attractive alternative over taking an NPB player. Maybe they could add it as an option and let teams choose. Currently the teams can choose players or money.

]]> By: simon http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2793 simon Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:21:01 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2793 "and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him." I think that only applies for the 1st round. This theoretical sandwich round could work as a regular waiver round with whichever teams that have sandwich picks making their selections in reverse order of their records. “and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him.”

I think that only applies for the 1st round. This theoretical sandwich round could work as a regular waiver round with whichever teams that have sandwich picks making their selections in reverse order of their records.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2773 Patrick Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:33:20 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2773 <i>My suggestion is they reform the NPB draft to include a compensation round (a la the MLB compensation draft pick route where they give a sandwich pick to players who lose there Class A and B free agents) in the NPB draft for players who depart to MLB. Though of course, as I’ve said my head would explode if NPB came up with something like that.</i> This would help if it was a high enough pick. Remember that most teams choose to draft fewer than the maximum of 10 players, and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him. <i>Though to keep the current system of compensation for losing free agents is laughable.</i> I don't know if I'd call the system laughable, though it could be more effective. Masato Akamatsu, who was never going to get the chance to play for Hanshin, had a decent year after moving to Hiroshima as compensation. My suggestion is they reform the NPB draft to include a compensation round (a la the MLB compensation draft pick route where they give a sandwich pick to players who lose there Class A and B free agents) in the NPB draft for players who depart to MLB. Though of course, as I’ve said my head would explode if NPB came up with something like that.

This would help if it was a high enough pick. Remember that most teams choose to draft fewer than the maximum of 10 players, and there is also that silly rule where if two teams select the same player they have to draw for him.

Though to keep the current system of compensation for losing free agents is laughable.

I don’t know if I’d call the system laughable, though it could be more effective. Masato Akamatsu, who was never going to get the chance to play for Hanshin, had a decent year after moving to Hiroshima as compensation.

]]> By: John Brooks http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/12/new-entrent-in-kawakami-derby-minnesota/comment-page-1/#comment-2771 John Brooks Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:37:53 +0000 http://www.npbtracker.com/?p=1243#comment-2771 <b>Some kind of rights transfer compensation seems appropriate for players moving from NPB to MLB as well.</b> My suggestion is they reform the NPB draft to include a compensation round (a la the MLB compensation draft pick route where they give a sandwich pick to players who lose there Class A and B free agents) in the NPB draft for players who depart to MLB. Though of course, as I've said my head would explode if NPB came up with something like that. Also, instead of the lackluster compensation for free agents which is when a free agent departs to another team in NPB, where you get a player that's almost always less useful that the one you lost via free agency, does nothing to help put teams at a advantage. You add the compensation round and NPB teams could hopefully draft more players to better replace the ones who depart to the Hanshin's/Yomiuri's of the world or the ones who leave to MLB. Though to keep the current system of compensation for losing free agents is laughable. Some kind of rights transfer compensation seems appropriate for players moving from NPB to MLB as well.

My suggestion is they reform the NPB draft to include a compensation round (a la the MLB compensation draft pick route where they give a sandwich pick to players who lose there Class A and B free agents) in the NPB draft for players who depart to MLB. Though of course, as I’ve said my head would explode if NPB came up with something like that.

Also, instead of the lackluster compensation for free agents which is when a free agent departs to another team in NPB, where you get a player that’s almost always less useful that the one you lost via free agency, does nothing to help put teams at a advantage. You add the compensation round and NPB teams could hopefully draft more players to better replace the ones who depart to the Hanshin’s/Yomiuri’s of the world or the ones who leave to MLB. Though to keep the current system of compensation for losing free agents is laughable.

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